Horse Handling
Stubborn on one foot
reply from
Jenafer Hamilton
One of the horses I work on has a stubborn streak when it comes to her right front foot. On her other feet she's fine, but on this one, she'll let me pick it up and work on it for a short time before yanking it away. I only get two or three shots on it before she simply refuses to pick it up at all. I've tried as many tricks as I know to encourage her to pick the foot up after she's reached her limit, but she plays the game of 'pick it up so fast the farrier can't catch it'. According to the owner, she's got a history of doing this to other farriers as well. Any advice for how to work with her on this foot or things the owner can do to train her between trims?
reply from
Caroline Simson
Is there anything wrong with her left front or her left rear that would make her not want to put extra weight on them? If not, you could have the owner pick the foot up for like 2 seconds, and then put it back down before she yanks it away. Gradually increase the amount of time you hold it. If that doesnt work, it's easier to work around it then trying to fight it. Very frustrating, I know - but let the horse have breaks before she yanks it away.
reply from
peter klein
Sound advice from Carline, as you need lot's of tools or tricks in that tool box.If there is no pain in the other leg and no pain in the knee try a rope halter and a open space to that you can imediatly put the horse to work. Lange the horse both ways, back up and go back to your shoing place( comfert zone and go right back to work.Do it again, and again if need be. Dont lose yuor temper. Its called get in get out. Learned this from Buck B. years ago and adapted it for some situations. You are getting the respect of the horse without hurtting him,her Get along are go to workGood luck Peter Klein
reply from
James Martin
Hi Jenafer, Both Caroline and Peter are right. Things like these are almost always caused by pain somewhere at some time. It may be that the horse was lame on the left in the past and learned it could get away with pulling that foot away or it has a current pain somewhere. Either way it is very important to give the horse's foot back before it pulls it away. If the horse asks for it, give it back. Another thing to look for is how you hold the foot. You may be unintentionally pinching a joint somewhere in that leg. If you can hold it up with one hand under the horse for a longer period of time, then this is the case, and you will have to adjust your stance to help. Another trick I use on horses that pull their feet forward is I have someone put their hand on the horses knee and have them push down on it when they try to pull the foot away. This can give you an extra few minutes to work. It will be slow work but the horse can learn to be more patient after awhile. Good Luck, Jim Martin
reply from
Mike Chaffin
Hello Jenafer. Everyone has given good, sound advice already. I'll just add a couple of things I have learned over the years of working with very lame horses. As has been indicated, the normal culprit is pain, and typically it would stem from the left front. Pay close attention to it's conformation. Low heels? A past injury? Pathology? Many times I have found duct taping or simply sliding a wedge pad (or two) under the opposing foot offers the horse relief and allows me the extra time needed to finish the work. This, however, is normally an indicator as to how the horse needs to be shod. The other possibility has also been touched upon. The problem can sometimes be in the limb you are working on and th ehorse simply cannot tolerate the manipulation of the limb (knee issues). I find placing the foot in the cradle, rather than between my knees can alleviate many issues.
Most of all, remember to be safe and not place yourself in a dangerous situation. In many of the lameness cases I work, a good vet who knows how to properly sedate is worth their weight in gold! :) Best of luck,
Mike Chaffin
Most of all, remember to be safe and not place yourself in a dangerous situation. In many of the lameness cases I work, a good vet who knows how to properly sedate is worth their weight in gold! :) Best of luck,
Mike Chaffin
reply from
Caroline Simson
Just a followup - good advice from everyone. Forgot to mention I've done what both Peter and James have done...I keep a rope halter and a 15-foot lead in my truck just in case a horse is being really disrespectful like that. A little groundwork to get their feet moving and gain their respect goes a long way, particularly for horses who are just scared too.
I also work on a mare who wouldn't me put either of her front legs between mine for even two seconds - I suspect that's why I got the job, haha - so I just trim her one-handed. It's not that hard, just takes a little longer.
I haven't yet had to nail a shoe on a horse who's being a real turd, but I'd probably try the groundwork and see if that got me anywhere. If not, repeated 15-second breaks after one or two nails.
Just another day in the life of a new farrier in the area! :)
I also work on a mare who wouldn't me put either of her front legs between mine for even two seconds - I suspect that's why I got the job, haha - so I just trim her one-handed. It's not that hard, just takes a little longer.
I haven't yet had to nail a shoe on a horse who's being a real turd, but I'd probably try the groundwork and see if that got me anywhere. If not, repeated 15-second breaks after one or two nails.
Just another day in the life of a new farrier in the area! :)
reply from
Jenafer Hamilton
Thanks for all the advice! I don't believe the mare has any current pain in the leg, but I think James had the right of it that it's something she learned in the past from pain in the leg. I've tried holding her between my knees and working on her one handed and neither seems to make a difference. I haven't tried a cradle, but I have some concerns over that since the mare won't stand with any of her feet on a jack for top dressing--I have to top dress her on my knee. I talked to the owner and we're going to try working on her for just a short time once every week until we get that foot done, and I'll advise her about picking that foot up repeatedly and holding it to see if she can make some progress when I'm not there. Peter, thanks for the idea of longing her--I'll see if that'll help, too. Thanks again all for the advice and support.
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