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Farrier Business Practices

PROFFESIONAL OBLIGATIONS
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10/ 8/2008 - 11:26 pm
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JAMIE CRAWFORD
I am new to this forum, however I must say I am very pleased to see the amount of information presented in the discussions, not just prideful ego's. Here is my situation, I have owned horses and mules for going on twenty year's, now mostly mules and mammoth donkeys used mainly for trail riding and have had various shoer's thru the years. I have done alot of my own trimming and shoeing not neccesarily because I wanted to,but because it seems hard to find someone who will show up on a regular basis like they say they will, although I do not claim to be a farrier. I recently met a man at a horse event who was in my area, he said he had shoe'd for a long time but now only did "natural trimming". Great I thought, he had pictures and pamplet's and he said he believed in being on time it sounded real good,after all it's "natural". I was away at work the first time he came, my wife called a week later and said one of my mules was lame, he told her to keep her on soft ground it would get better, he was to busy to come back out then. To make a long story short two more scheduled visit's and over two months later she had never been sound over a week at a time. When I told him we needed to put shoes on her because he had taken off to much heel and she needed to grow some back to get the pressure off her frogs and sole he said he could not put shoes on her because it would ruin his credibility. I put shoes on her, she got sound and has stayed that way since. I am now planning on attending O.H.S. in hopes of a possible second carrier, but mainly so I can better take care of my animals. My question is this, as a professional farrier do you not have an obligation to the client to make an unscheduled visit when there is a problem, possibly from your trimming/shoeing job? or am I just expecting to much from a farrier? Yes, she had been sound before he started, I had pulled shoes off about six weeks before, and yes he was always paid at the time of service.
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10/ 9/2008 - 4:24 pm
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chris diehl
You are correct it is our obligation to "fix what we messed up. Even if it means driving fifty mile the wrong direction if i drive a close nail and the horse is sore I will fix it immediatly, not because i wan to keep the customer happy but I am in this for the horse.

Not trying to sound stereo typical but I have found that barefoot specialists are wanna be farriers who do not have ability to shoe a horse. Every year there is some fly by night fool who goes around laming horses. I don't know who is teaching theses specialists to trim horses way too short but it's great for my business so I don't stop them.

I had a client who switched from me to a trimmer. now she's has to order special hoof casts which run her about eighty dollars then she pays this girl fifty to put them on! One hundred and thirty dollars every 4 weeks I charge 80 for front shoes you do the math.

I would fire this trimmer is such a manner that he will reconsider his choice of profession and go back to punching the time clock.

This post sounds ignorant and harsh but my comments here are from personal experiences

Chris.
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10/11/2008 - 6:37 pm
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JAMIE CRAWFORD
thanks for the reply Chris

I have gotten rid of that farrier, and plan on just taking care of them myself like I always had. I work away from home and originally hired him thinking when I got home it would save me time and we would be ready to just go ride. By the way he had attended a "barefoot" clinic somewhere, I'm not sure where. Until this experience I did not realize this meant "barefoot at all cost". I thought it was just as has always been, there are times to be barefoot and there are times that require shoe's. I am going to o.h.s. next month, even though I have been doing my own basic shoeing and trimming for a while I realize there is alot I don't know. I must say I am looking forward to that and would like to try to transition into a shoeing job to be home more.

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08/ 8/2009 - 1:24 pm
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Trisha McDowell
hey jamie. I completely agree that it is the farriers responsibility to return as soon as possible to fix the problem. In my time trimming there was once that i got a little over zealous taking back an under run heel and made the horse sore. The owner called me two days after my trim and I showed up a few hours after to build the heel back. That is the duty of the farrier.

I personally only trim for barefoot horses but that is because i don't want to practice shoeing until i have gone to school for it. I have spent many many months training with "local" farriers and hours a day every day doing research to learn what i know now, and i am completely honest with all of my clients about my abilities and lack there of (in regards to shoeing), as should this farrier have been that you used. It is my recommendation that if you ever have to use another farrier again i would ask for references.

some would tend to disagree with me, but before i started doing the job myself i would not let a farrier come out that was not referred to me or could give me references. I made that mistake the first time i ever had to call a farrier, and it took me several months to correct the damage he caused.

and i think you made the right decision in firing that farrier. He obviously did not have the horse in his best interest. Good luck to you with your horses and possibly becoming a farrier. I believe that anyone who is willing to put in the time and effort, and has the horse as the priority (not the money) can make a great farrier.
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10/29/2009 - 11:39 pm
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Steve Elliott
Stick with Shoes,  been there did that besides  the word FARRIER Means working with fire, steel etc. a barefoot person is none above  they even call themselves a hoof groomer  so the saying is it takes two minutes to mess up a hoof  and takes 6 mos to get it back, many prevoius owners are back in Shoes

 

Im a FARRIER AND HORSE SHOER and proud of it  this is why I and others read the American Farrier Journal  to promote the forever Steel shoeing Tehniques, Steve E.
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04/ 1/2011 - 7:05 pm
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Israel Smith
Amen Steve, I dont understand in the other posts why this person was refered to as a "farrier".A professional farrier can address All of their clients needs whether its just a trim or making a set of heartbars the professional can do anything.

 
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04/ 2/2011 - 8:05 am
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Dr. Esco Buff, PhD, CF
Jamie,

 

Our industry in the States does not have a professional ethics statement.  We have tried to get one passed a few times with little luck.  There are some farrier organizations that do have professional codes of conduct but there is not recoarse for not following them. 

 

That being said, you will find that professional farriers, whether they just trim horses, shoe horses, boot horses, etc. will have their own professional ethics and conducts.  There is also some legal issues with providing a service and not reasonable responding to problems.  But lets not go there. 

 

The fact that you are educating yourself will help you greatly at finding a farrier who will fit you and your animals.  Do not expectate less than professional farriers to provide you with "Respective Responsiblities," as there are too many animals out there needing care and many will not "waste" their time on yours.  There are many professional farriers out there that will provide you with a good, solid, caring, and ethical service.  Finding them can be a challenge.

 

That being said, any farrier can make mistakes.  The measure of a professional farrier is how they deal with it. 

 

Please be free to continue posting your questions and comments.

Blessings,

Esco Buff, PhD, CF
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04/ 3/2011 - 9:43 am
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chris richardson
Hello Jamie.  To answer your original question, there is no professional obligation to the client once the farrier has driven away.  It is good business to take care of your customers, to re-visit when necesarry, and to do your best to fix and problems, but it's not an industry mandate or anything.  Seek out the professionals that provide superior service and you'll be a lot happier.  Good luck in school!
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04/ 3/2011 - 10:52 am
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Larry Davis
Larry Davis

Interesting post, this is a common problem and has been for years, it is coming to the fore front and is more apparent due to the "natural" movement. What I find interesting is the response to the initial post, "its great for my business so I don't stop them", how would you stop them?, "they won't waste their time with yours", how true this is, "not because I wanted to keep the customer happy", I personally want to keep all my customers happy,and last but not least, "no professional obligation to the client",what's up with that. A few of these statements are somewhat arrogant but the one that really hits home is the  "no professional obligation", I suppose there is nothing in writing but every professional farrier should hold themselves to a higher standard and if nothing else demand of themselves "professional obligation". With that being said when is the last time you have offered a clinic for horse owners to educate them in the proper maintenance of their horses feet, the bare footers have info clinics all the time. Its time we as professional's step up to the plate ,and offer education to the public, how many people know what Farrier means, many don't but they all know "natural bare foot trim". Enough of my ranting, be a professional to all your clients, shoe for the good of the horse and life will be good.
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04/ 3/2011 - 12:32 pm
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Jim Goede
Some interesting posts.  I have to deal with the "barefoot timmers" constantly.  When a client asks me "Do you subscribe to the natural trimming techniques?", the way I respond is "While I am not a "natural trimmer", I don't consider what I do as unnatural.  I am a profesional farrier.  I use shoes when necessary.  If they can go barefoot, great, leave them that way.  Better for them and cheaper for you.  But not every horse can go barefoot."  As a matter of course, I suggest to my clients that have shoes in their horses to let them go one shoeing cycle barefoot (such as during the winter months when it's too wet or cold to ride anyway) so that their feet can grow unrestricted.  I believe that most of the problems with a lot of farriers is a poor work ethic.  I am amazed at how many farriers there are out there that don't like horses!  Many of them are what I refer to as "legacy farriers".  They are farriers because their father was one, and grandfather, etc.  I started out in the first 30 years of my working life as a desk jockey, then became a farrier, fairly late in life.  I think that's why I have a good work ethic and stand behind my work. As a horse owner, I do what I would expect of a farrier. I even added the word "Ethical" on my business card.  I will NOT do anything to a horse that I feel will harm the horse.  That's not why I got into this business.  And, I educate all of my clients.  I use a hoof model to explain what the issue is, what I will do to address the problem and why it should work. This is necessary in many cases when a vet is involved and the explaination they get is so technical they don't really understand what is going on. If a farrier can't provide that level of service...find another one.

 

Jim Goede...Professional Farrier
 

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